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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, pm    Post subject: 14 Way Vs 18 Way Seats - Long Distance ComfortReply with quote

Hi all,

I'm trying to progress my dream of owning a and having now driven a couple of and models (C4S, GTS & C2S) I'm currently leaning towards the for its greater comfort - unfortunately I have some serious health issues nowadays (skeletal damage from the big C) so I need a sportscar in which I can enjoy the drive AND feel comfortable as well.

The car would mainly be used for day trips, sports touring and driving holidays, typical journeys of - miles min on A and B roads (Wales/Dales etc) plus longer trips on the motorway and abroad.

I'll probably fit the DSC Sport module, as recommended here (thank you) for better wheel control/ride but seat comfort is another issue I need to address.

I spent several hours at my local OPC on Saturday, trying different seats but neither the 4 way Sports nor 4 way Sports seats Plus offered me enough lumbar support and as you know, there's not even a manual lumbar adjustment, which I was a little surprised about.

Unfortunately my local OPC didn't have a car with 14 way seats but I found the 18 way comfortable (if a little tight at the hips) with sufficient lumbar adjustment however, from what I can see on Autotrader/Pistonheads etc there seem very few cars specced this way.

I realise seat comfort is a personal and subjective issue but I've read comments elsewhere that suggest the 14 way seats are less comfortable than the 18 way, with some people saying that the padding on the seat base is thinner on the 14 way??

Can anyone shed any light on this - I'd be interested to know other people's experiences with the 14 and 18 way seats, whether the padding on the seat base differs between them (personally I can't see why it would) and whether either seat is comfortable on long journeys - no point enjoying the drive but stepping out in pain and with a numb bum Sad

I've even looked at the cost of swapping the seats but this seems prohibitively expensive.

For comparison, I'm 5' 10", slim/athletic build and about 12 stone.

All thoughts appreciated Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Everyone is different but the they make seats for everyone.

The main difference is that the Sports seats have elevated side bolsters on squab and backrest, which adjust.

You need to see if you fit better into the normal 14 way seats or the sports 18 way seats.

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14 Way.

Driver and front passenger seats featuring electric adjustment of backrest angle, seat height, fore/aft position, squab angle and depth, lumbar support and steering column.

Includes memory function for seat position settings (driver's seat), steering column and other personalised in-car settings.

18 Way.

Driver and front passenger seats with elevated side bolsters, more distinctive curvature in the shoulder region and electric adjustment of all seat functions: backrest, seat height, fore/aft position, squab angle and depth, lumbar support and seat side bolsters on squab and backrest.

Memory function for seat position settings (driver's seat), steering column, both exterior mirrors and other personalised in-car settings.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have had lower back issues and have had both - 14 ways in my C4s (3 years) and now have 18 ways in my C4 GTS (18 months). I find the 18 ways much more comfortable. I wouldn't go back (no pun intended).

But just to muddy the waters, the GTS seats at alcantara centered Vs all leather and I suspect that has as much to do with it. I now sit in them rather than on them which was always the case with the 14's. people will say the only difference is the sport back but i am unsure

I used to struggle on journeys over 2 hours in the C4s - that is probably more like hours in the GTS. So an improvement but not night and day.

Then I wound out the lumbar so it is entirely deflated. Since doing that I get no issues at all. Which is kind of the exact opposite of what you are thinking you need!!!

Seats are a minefield. There are so many variants and actually relatively little factual info on the relative sizes etc.

For me I would go 18 way alcantara and fully deflate the lumbar.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you all for your comments Thumb

Zingari: You're right: Trying to find a used that includes my wish list items AND 14 or 18 way seats seem very difficult - I can only hope that one is out there and comes onto the market soon. I'm not so worried about values down the line, more about enjoying the experience now.

This may be sacrilege to say but having sat in a Macan with 14 way at the weekend, I found the seats in that to be so comfortable and supportive, I wish they were fitted in the (should I get my Get Me Coat ).

UK: Trying the 14/18 way back to back (pun intended) would be ideal but my local OPC at Wolverhampton didn't have any with the 14 way seats fitted and most cars seem to be specced with the manual/part electric standard seats or sports seats plus.

Even looking further afield they seem to be rare.

wee jimmy: Totally agree - even with the same density of foam, the type of covering makes a big difference - I've also found that with seating in other cars, leather is more rigid than Alcantara/fabric and the latter tends to feel that bit softer.

I know the latest cars have had the option of Sport-tex (which also 'gives' nicely) and that would be ideal if I were looking at a nearly new car but that's not an option within my current budget. Better still would be a 50th Anniv with Houndstoothbut then we're back to the budget issue Very Happy

Obviously I'll have to travel further afield and try a car with the 14 way seats but I will also keep an eye out for any fitted with Alcantara centres.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark, the better option is to go for 18 way as then you have more adjustment options
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I agree obviously but finding one seems to be another matter Smile

From what I've seen so far, on Autotrader/PH the incidence of adverts for cars with 18 way seats on cars appears to be circa 1 in 10 and circa 2 or 3 in 10 for the 14 way version, so not exactly common in either case.

Trying to find a really nice, low miles, /13/14 C2/C2S with PDK and a good spec (PSE, PASM, Bose etc) AND 14 or 18 way fully electric seats, is harder than I'd imagined, so I guess I may have to compromise either from 18 to 14 way or on other parts of my spec.

I'll keep hoping that the right car comes along soon.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another vote for way seats.

If you are speccing a new car and you haven't passed out at the cost of adding 14s; then the price premium of the 18s over the 14s is quite modest.

This is in part because of what they bundle with the seats - IE the memory function and the electrically adjustable steering column. (The two work together to ease exit / entry when you switch off.)

I think on s and Boxster /Caymans these are the only way to get lumbar support. Crazy really as you may not want all the other stuff.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

FWIW I chose 14 ways over 18's in my C4s as I was worried that the higher shoulders of the Sports Seat Pluses would round my shoulders in. I also couldn't get anyone to confirm if the side bolster range of the Pluses went wider than the Sports Seats in both directions (so narrow and wider).

For my GTS I thought I'd try the other seat type and I prefer it.

So I think your choice is really about Sports Seats Vs Sports Seat Pluses rather than 14's Vs 18's. Having now had the 18's I think they do go wider and broader than the basic Sports Seats and are more 'sit in' than 'sit on'.

So maybe also try the 4 Way Sports Seat Pluses? Extra adjustability isn't necessarily a benefit if the basic seat shape doesn't work for you. If anything it means you end up either constantly fiddling or never making use of all the buttons you've paid for!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Then I wound out the lumbar so it is entirely deflated. Since doing that I get no issues at all. Which is kind of the exact opposite of what you are thinking you need!!!

Funny old thing, that’s where I end up with most cars. The initial extra lumbar support seems good but after a short while it gets annoying as I can always feel it. When looking at the seat settings at the end of a drive, I have likely removed most, if not all of the lumbar.

You know you’ve reached optimum comfort level, IMHO, when you forget you are in a seat and feel part of the car. My glider is the same
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tim I'm looking at a used , so don't (sadly) have the choice to option what I want. The lack of even a manual lumbar adjustment on the standard seats was a surprise on a vehicle of this sort but then I guess that would've left Porsche with a missed opportunity for profit Rolling Eyes why they couldn't just fit a simple lever and give people the choice of whether they wanted to pay extra for an all singing all dancing electric version is beyond me.

weejimmy: I've tried the standard (manual) Sports and Sports Plus seats but the shape of the lower backrest didn't suit me and with no lumbar adjustment I couldn't do anything about it. I wasn't always % comfortable in my two previous cars (BMW & Merc) both of which had lumbar adjustment but at least I could change the position of the lumbar pad, which was sometimes enough to ease the discomfort.

The 18 way Sports Plus that I tried last weekend were comfortable regarding the backrest, if a little on the firm side compared to other sports seats I've been used to but I've still not been able to find a car with the 14 way Sports seats.

Interesting that you mention about the higher shoulders of the Sports Plus seats - I prefer them myself but they're not that common.

I keep trawling through advert after advert and every time I find a car with the right seats it doesn't have the rest of the spec or vice versa Sad

EdTheDuck: It is interesting because I'm not sure (for me) that it's so much about actually having support for the lumbar region itself but how that affects the attitude of my shoulders and the thoracic part of my spine. It's as if not having some kind of support in the lumbar region upsets the upper part of my back/shoulders (and even my neck on really long journeys). Driving is better than being a passenger because holding the wheel forces my shoulders backwards but I need a seat where the basic position comfortable and having a lumbar adjustment seems to help achieve that.

My other half has an old Toyota Yaris that she's attached too and despite its age/mileage refuses to part with (just goes on and on for everand the car does the same Very HappyVery Happy ) - she finds it comfortable but anytime I travel in it for more than an hour, I find the upper part of my back aches. The only solution is to push my shoulders back and maintain that position, which leaves a 3 - 4 inch gap between my lower back (lumbar area) and the seat - not ideal!

Seat comfort isn't only about adjustability but having a greater number of adjustable parameters certainly helps.

I hate the thought of having to write off the dream of owning a , just because I can't find one with the right seats/ride comfort but then there's no point having one if it's not comfortable and I can't enjoy driving it Sad
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, am    Post subject: Reply with quote

doesn't even look as though one can filter on cars with 14/18 way seats on the used car search. Dont know Oddly the first one I picked at random had them!

May I ask which model you want or what other options are must-haves?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 05, am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Tim,

I know - the used car search doesn't seem to offer the facility to filter by option.

Ideally I'm looking for the following (ranked by priority):

Vehicle: Model: C2S/C2 (maybe C4/S/Targa) Year: - (budget wise)
Mileage: Low - ideally >35K with FPSH
Transmission: PDK
Colour: GT Silver, Platinum Silver, Carrera White, Agate Grey, Guards Red
Interior: Black over Red, Black, Agate/Pebble, Agate

Preferred Options (ranked by priority):
18 Way Sports seats Plus with memory or 14 Way Sports seats with memory
PASM (if not an S model)
PCM incl Nav
Full Bluetooth
Bose Surround Sound
LED or Xenon Lights
Park Assist Front & Rear/Rear only
Steel or Glass Sunroof
Porsche Sports Exhaust

Nice Options (but not a deal breaker):
Sport Design Steering Wheel
Sport Chrono Package
Power Steering Plus
Cruise Control

I'm not just looking for 'a ' but (after 44 years of waiting) the 'right one' - am happy to look at OPCs and independent Porsche dealers and willing to travel if the car is a really nice, well cared for example, with the right spec and a reasonable price for its condition/age etc.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think if I were looking for a , I'd have a similar list!

We did a long trip down to Monaco and back earlier this year sitting on ways and they are fabulous for both driver and passenger.

Yes, the used search is just too vague - you can filer for sports seats, but not other kinds
Dont know

Wish they'd allow the specs to be dumped down into XL, then one could do an easy compare and contrast!

FWIW though, if a car has 14 or 18 ways the rest of the spec is likely to be pretty good as well.

The very best of luck to you!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you had a look at a higher mileage newer car as at the same price point, say its a £70k car a newer car with higher mileage Vs an older car with lower mileage the difference in motorway driving and running at warmed up temperatures is far more mechanically sympathetic than a garage queen thats only occasionally driven for shorter journeys and proportionately colder temps

The main reason i say that, is the blend of seat tech, design and likelihood of what it will have I tried lots of the different seats, and found that the £ sports seats plus were fantastically comfortable having come from a brand new 6-series that had epic seats, i was slightly concerned as to how it would play out, but having now done 40k miles in the Sports Seats Plus, they are far more comfortable than the BMW multi-magic everything ones. A range of seats are very comfortable to drive long distance, the ergonomics are incredible.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tim As you say, cars that have originally been specified with 14 or 18 seats tend to feature a higher overall spec and suggest the original buyer didn't stint on the options list - which is good for me Very Happy

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Well that's another vote in favour of the 18's then LaughingLaughing

6appeal: I totally get where you're coming from on the issue of older low mileage Vs newer higher mileage, though of course there's nothing to say that in the case of this example, the owner of the former vehicle didn't do few long distance runs and the owner of the latter vehicle, daily driving at short distances or in an urban environment

I'm sure we've all seen cars that despite having a high mileage looked factory fresh and had clearly been cherished and others that, despite first appearing to be a low mileage 'garage queen', in reality seemed to have received the minimum amount of carewith infrequent services and an occasional wipe over with a gritty sponge Surprised

The Sports seats Plus do seem much better than the standard seats, certainly more supportive but perhaps because of my back problems, I'm finding that I do need the ability to adjust the lumbar area, which only comes with the 14 or 18 way - that's the thing I guess, the basic design of each seat option improves over the support and range of adjustment offered but as we're all unique there's still no guarantee it will suit %.

Hopefully if I can find a car with either 14 or 18 way I'll stand the best chance of being comfortable and not stepping out at the end of the journey looking like Quasimodo Smile
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If you remember the fairytale of “Goldilocks and the Three Bears,” you’ll know that when she picks the chair “that’s just right,” she ends up breaking it. It’s too bad because had she chosen Porsche’s Adaptive Sport Seat Plus, she would have been able to configure it to be just right the first time around.

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First, let’s look at the side of the seat. This is where we will find the switches and levers for all the adjustments. Porsche counts each adjustment as two even though you can stop the switch anywhere between the two extremes.

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Seat Angle
This will give you the options of tilting the seat back (and bottom cushion moves) but also tilting it forward. (See below for seat-height, which uses the same controls as seat angle.)


Seat Height

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Allows the tallest and shortest drivers to find the right combination of being able to see over the hood as well as be closer to the road.


Thigh Support

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This extends the seat cushion almost inches. Being five-foot-six, I didn’t think I would need it, but I actually enjoyed having it fully extended.


Seat Cushion Side Bolster

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It’s difficult to capture the difference in a photograph so we used a tape measure to illustrate the furthest extremes in adjustment. It moves from about 18 inches in width to inches. It’s seemingly not a lot of adjustment, but it’s certainly felt when you’re sitting in the seat.


Backrest Side Bolster

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This was also difficult to photograph, so we used the same method as the seat cushion bolster. At its narrowest, it is inches and can be widened to inches.


Fore/aft

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Simplest adjustment you can make. Moves you closer to the steering wheel or further away by sliding the base of the seat forward and backward.


Backrest Angle

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This will take you from a very uncomfortable acute angle all the way to ready-for-business-class flat.


Four-way Lumbar
You can’t see it in photos, but boy can you feel the lumbar adjustements. It may take several trips to decide on your preferred setting.


What’s not counted is the steering wheel adjustments you can make. Not only is there a tilt adjustment, there’s also a telescoping adjustment to bring the wheel closer to you or push it farther away. Perfect for fine tuning that driving position and especially helpful since not all of us have the same arm length.

My primary tip is once you’ve found that sweet spot in adjusting your seat, please learn how to set the memory on both your key fob and the memory buttons on the driver door. It will take several adjustments and drives before you finally decide on a setting that suits you. Goldilocks never had it so good.
 

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Front seats

The front seats offer a high level of comfort and provide support in fast corners without restricting freedom of movement. The seat height, squab and backrest angles and fore/aft position are electrically adjustable.

Power seats

The PanameraTurbo is equipped with way power seats including memory package in the front. These add seat squab length adjustment and four-way lumbar support for the driver and front passenger. The memory function stores settings for seats, steering column, both exterior mirrors and other personalised in-car settings.

Adaptive Sports seats

Available as an option, adaptive Sports seats (way, electric) including memory package provide even better lateral support – thanks to the elevated side bolsters on the seat squab and backrest. Electrically adjustable, they offer comfort on long journeys and made-to-measure lateral support in the corners.

Rear seats

The most striking feature of the rear seats? There are two separate ones. With plenty of leg- and headroom and offering excellent lateral support through fast corners without sacrificing comfort. Eight-way power seats are available as an option for the rear in any Panamera model. In addition to the electric backrest adjustment, seat squab length adjustment and lumbar support, there is a facility to adjust the front passenger seat from the rear compartment (depending on equipment specification). In conjunction with adaptive Sports seats in the front, Sports seats featuring elevated side bolsters are also fitted in the rear.

Seat heating and ventilation

The front seats of all new Panamera 4S models – and the rear seats of the PanameraTurbo – come equipped with seat heating to warm the squab and backrest to an agreeable temperature. Optional seat ventilation incorporates active aeration of the perforated seat centre and backrest to provide a pleasant seating environment – even in hot weather.

Massage function

On request, the power seats are also available with a massage function – front and rear. With five programmes and five intensity levels to choose from, 10 air cushions in each backrest provide a relaxing treat for the back muscles. For improved seating and long-distance comfort.

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